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Oct 6:  2-butoxyethanol causes the odd assortment of symptoms such as those listed for CFS, FM, CFIDS

Exposure looks like 'the flu' ... lesser exposure 'looks like' eyes burning & hurting ... farting ... diarrhea

I think this is THE FATIGUE that those with CFIDS must have Some signs are blood cells 'globbing together,' very high WBC counts; elevated RDW should be suspect.

Doctors need to LOOK at the red blood cells - not the traditional tests that they suspect will show up Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia. Maybe it is 'approaching' AIHA or IMHA before it is obvious on the blood tests? There will be other autoimmune issues, too, as 2-butoxyethanol exposures cause autoimmune metabolic issues

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Oct 18:  Suspect high or low blood sugar; high or low body temp; high or low blood pressure as side effects of 2-butoxyethanol exposure (autoimmune hypothalamus)

Question, RE: "information on soldiers' exposure to herbicides causing diabetes on military.com forum. Is there information or data about exposure to jet fuel, hydraulic fluid, and cleaning solvents also causing it?

Reply:

MOST definitely you will find 2-butoxyethanol in these. JET FUELS 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 are labeled as pesticides and have the warnings of 2-butoxyethanol. (However, per EPA guidlines if you give the warnings you do not have to list the ingredient.)

This chemical should be suspect for the majority of cleaning compounds since the 1930s

I think 'bird flu' or the flu of 1918 has to do with MALE tanks (they had a cannon on them, not a machine gun) and that it was a worse version of this chemical. There were about 4,000 of these tanks from each of the countries back then. I think the explosive fumes blew around in the air & exposed people. I think Pres FDR's health ailments started back in those days as he got as close to the WWI front lines (then as Assist Sect of the Navy) as they would let him get ... and then he had a 'strange influenza' leading not to polio as is commonly believed, but to an autoimmune action on the nervous system that causes paralysis.

Stripper & paints and cleaning products have this chemical, as Dale found out

For military presumptive disability approval they have to find times when Agent Orange was a possible exposure for Vietnam & for Korean Vets. Too bad for many that they do not consider 'the other chemical' in the mix... and also during times when AO was no part of the 'equation'
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Doctors do not know what the fatigue of CFS, FM, CFIDS is

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Oct 25:  I found the comments on EGBE caused hemolysis of interest on an MSDS shared on trackpads.com. Generally you need to look at multiple MSDS info to get an overview of this chemical's effects.

Ask these questions on the 'checklist'. Most are not the kind of person to complain, and since those with CFIDS or CFS are concerned that their fatigue is not being found ... you may have the exposure & resultant effects without it showing up in the medical tests. At least get some quality air-tight goggles to wear when around this ... and insist on these for workers, too.

This chemical also causes pallops, cysts, and tumors either benign or cancerous. What we need are medical tests that show when our immune system is attacking us. Then the pains in the area of the kidneys or stomach or the headaches ... that are hormonal etc, could be found out.

I just took this info (by web pages) to the man in our town who does auto-body repair. He only wears a paper suit and no eye protection. He would HAVE to have the ills of this chemical, which are miriad. They never said so, however, his wife was VERY interested in what I stumbled across.

I also wonder about new moms & what they are giving them during child birth...I suspect this chemical is being given to new moms, and is the cause of depression and hormonal irregularites, etc ... I wonder about Valerie Plume's post par tem blues or DEPRESSION ... I wonder about Marie Osmond & her collapsing. There was something in the news about her health issues that caught my attention in the past, and Monday she 'fainted' after 'shortness of breath'

In short ... this chemical, per UK research, affects:
CHRONIC EFFECTS
TARGET ORGAN(S):
BLOOD
KIDNEYS
LIVER
CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM
TESTES
OVEREXPOSURE MAY CAUSE REPRODUCTIVE DISORDER(S).


WEAR SUITABLE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, GLOVES AND EYE/FACE PROTECTION.

TARGET ORGAN DATA

SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER OLFACTION EFFECTS)
SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER EYE EFFECTS)
BEHAVIORAL (GENERAL ANESTHETIC)
BEHAVIORAL (ALTERED SLEEP TIME)
BEHAVIORAL (SOMNOLENCE)
BEHAVIORAL (EXCITEMENT)
BEHAVIORAL (ATAXIA)
BEHAVIORAL (COMA)
BEHAVIORAL (ANALGESIA)
LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (DYSPNAE)
LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (OTHER CHANGES)
GASTROINTESTINAL (NAUSEA OR VOMITING)
GASTROINTESTINAL (OTHER CHANGES)
LIVER (TUMORS)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (HEMATURIA)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (OTHER CHANGES)
ENDOCRINE (TUMORS)
SKIN AND APPENDAGES (HAIR)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (UTERUS, CERVIX, ******)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (OTHER EFFECTS ON FEMALE)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (PRE-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (POST-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (LITTER SIZE)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (WEIGHT LOSS OR DECREASED WEIGHT GAIN)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (CHANGES IN: METABOLIC ACIDOSIS)
TUMORIGENIC (CARCINOGENIC BY RTECS CRITERIA)
TUMORIGENIC (EQUIVOCAL TUMORIGENIC AGENT BY RTECS CRITERIA)
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Doctors do not know what the fatigue of CFS, FM, CFIDS is

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I kept a 'back up' of my post ... they deleted it almost immediately

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